I met Lisa Thorp at the Thorp Institute in 2014. She invited me to a Wednesday noon practitioner potluck she had going on weekly. I met several practitioners there and together Lisa and I started the podcast. Initially it was Lisa doing the interviews while I engineered the records. But later November 2015 Lisa got busy with her business the Thorp Institute and Equine Therapy for the 21st Century so I took over hosting and producing (as he always had) the podcast.